Elaphe out - classic front axle drive in?

  • Translation of the summary in #10 from the German thread of the same name.


    Ok, let's consolidate the topic and after the official presentation of Aptera in their July update:


    So it's the time-honored Vitesco EMR3,

    the standard Stellantis motor as it was installed in the Citröen eC4 I, Peugeot 208I/2008I, Opel Corsa-e and others. The new editions of the well-known and popular models now have the EMR4 as an option, but are still available with the EMR3.


    Anyone who fears that the EMR3 is a discontinued model that has simply been replaced by the EMR4 is mistaken, as a new edition of the EMR3 will also soon appear in the Honda e:Ny1 and its CR-V hybrid. In other words, niche models with a small circulation, so you know which way the wind is blowing. Also the off-roader M-Two from Mandrill with two units front & rear:

    Note that the power specifications in 2022 for the EMR3 were still stated at 100kW/136PS, where Vitesco now speaks of 150kW peak and we can see from the specs that it is permanently 50kW under all adversities (environmental conditions) combined. The hybrid extensions that enabled the EMR4 to do this have also been updated. So it is still a model-maintained technology. Adaptable, efficient and affordable.


    In other words, exactly the top line of the original Aptera AWD, only now the e-axle is supposed to manage it alone and without rear-wheel drive. It will probably not quite reach 0 to 60 in 4 seconds due to the slip, and launch control will probably not be available either. But these were probably the biggest limitations.


    In my opinion, no problem, after the first twitch of the news then the sober considerations and the memory:

    My eC4 from Citröen has the EMR3, and what I thought compared to the ID5 with 150kW at the time was, I really don't need more car now, not even the punch of the ID5 Perf.

    In other words, from a purely rational point of view, only the Aptera is not even half as heavy, and the emr3 of the new spec now even has the peak power of our ID5, which weighs 2.3 tons. So how many fines do I want to incur with the Aptera in the future?

    You don't have to, the Aptera is not about power but about efficiency and the eC4 scored top marks in my test reports back then. So the performance promises are kept, what may be missing is some individual head cinema thanks to the special IWM concept. But you have to be able to pay for that, special things cost money.


    The problems were described by Aptera honestly and comprehensibly, perhaps a little late for some. But who likes to open the door with news when the solution is not yet foreseeable or has not yet been worked out and so much depends on it?


    So far, are there any valuable additional comments and thoughts so far?

    André

  • Elaphe has been on the market since 2006 and have major customers around the world. They just can't talk publicly about everything - just like any innovative company.


    In my opinion - and this is based on the background discussions on site, among other things - it was the lack of money from Aptera Motors in 2022 / 2023 to be able to fully integrate the IWM system into the Aptera. However, this is necessary in order to properly leverage the advantages of the IWM.


    My business head laughs and says: the right decision, because then at least the Aptera will be on the road and no other startup will go down the drain.


    My technology heart says: what a bummer, now they've wasted a great opportunity and are only using the second-best solution.


    You know how it is with matters of the heart .... it takes time .... ;)

    Aptera enthusiast, investor and reservation holder. Member of the aptera.solar core team. EV driver since 2016 with 200.000+ km. Wants to bring the Aptera to Europe as soon as possible.

  • Here is the link to the video with the CEO of Elaphe:


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    Aptera enthusiast, investor and reservation holder. Member of the aptera.solar core team. EV driver since 2016 with 200.000+ km. Wants to bring the Aptera to Europe as soon as possible.

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